In this episode—airing on a day when many are reflecting on the legacy of George Floyd’s passing (may he rest in power)—Sherley sits down with activist, podcaster, and now author Sandy Hudson for an urgent and truth-filled conversation about redefining safety, power, and public priorities.
They dive into Sandy’s powerful new book, Defund: Black Lives, Policing, and Safety for All, and challenge the narratives that have shaped how we see law enforcement and justice in Canada. From media myths like “copaganda” to the long-standing impact of policing on Black and Indigenous communities, this conversation is a masterclass in clarity, accountability, and creative disruption.
Sandy also unpacks the cultural and creative role of content creators—especially Black Canadian ones—in telling new stories that push beyond fear and into community care. If you’ve ever struggled to explain what defunding the police actually means, this episode gives you the language and the lens.
Tune in for:
A clear breakdown of what “defund the police” actually means
The truth behind “serve and protect” and where that phrase came from
How media—old and new—has shaped our view of policing
The role of Black Canadian creators in challenging public narratives
Sandy’s reflections on what gives her hope, from art to activism
Guest Bio:
Sandy Hudson is a Jamaican-Canadian public intellectual, writer, and community organizer. She co-founded Black Lives Matter Canada, helped launch the Black Legal Action Centre, and now serves as Director of Strategic Planning at the Wildseed Centre for Art & Activism. Her work challenges systems and imagines new ways to centre care, equity, and safety.
Sandy is also the co-host of Sandy & Nora Talk Politics, where she and journalist Nora Loreto break down political issues through a grassroots, anti-racist lens. Her latest book, Defund: Black Lives, Policing, and Safety for All, was released in April 2025 and has already become essential reading for anyone working toward justice in Canada and beyond.
This is your chance to hear directly from one of the leading voices in the Canadian abolitionist movement—and to reflect on what real public safety could look like for everyone.
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— Sherley
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